Do you ever feel stuck in a rut? Like you’re just going through the motions? In this interview I sat down with Molly Fletcher, acclaimed sports agent turned motivational speaker and author, to figure out how to break free. Hailed as the “female Jerry Maguire,” Molly shares her journey from negotiating $500 million in sports contracts to helping people redefine their purpose and chase their dreams. Whether you’re feeling stuck in your career, relationships, or personal growth — this episode will leave you with tips for overcoming complacency and taking bold steps towards a more fulfilling life. Tune in to learn how to harness curiosity, shift your mindset, and start making progress, even if it’s just one small step at a time.
Key takeaways:
- Recognize complacency: Molly explains that complacency often shows up subtly, like being on autopilot in different areas of life. It manifests in a lack of curiosity, blaming, and a failure to take initiative, which are key signs that change is needed.
- Align your actions: Molly introduces the concept of “Dynamic Drive,” a mindset that encourages purposeful and values-driven action. By aligning your actions with your deeper goals and purpose, you can avoid burnout and find long-term fulfillment.
- Overcome fear of failure with curiosity: The antidote to the fear of failure is curiosity. Rather than worrying about the future, adopt a mindset of curiosity and ask yourself, “What do I want to do next?” This opens the door to new opportunities and growth.
- Reset your mindset: To combat complacency, start by recognizing and replacing limiting beliefs. Molly emphasizes shifting self-talk from “I don’t have time” to “I feel better when I make time for what matters.”
- Dopamine and motivation: Molly and Tori discuss how small “dopamine hits,” like tracking progress on personal goals, can help maintain motivation and energy throughout the day, helping to sustain momentum toward meaningful goals.
Notable quotes
“Burnout is a result of chasing things that don’t matter to us.”
“We don’t need a crisis to drive change. The best time to shift is when we know we have more in the tank.”
“Confidence takes action — you can’t just sit in a corner and decide to be confident, you build it through doing.”
Episode at-a-glance
≫ 01:39 Introducing Mollie Fletcher: The Female Jerry Maguire
≫ 02:35 Navigating Life’s Stuck Moments
≫ 08:16 The Complacency Epidemic
≫ 12:42 Balancing Ambition and Contentment
≫ 15:27 The Role of External Influences
≫ 30:12 Recognizing Limiting Beliefs
≫ 31:38 Energy Audit for a Healthy Life
≫ 32:49 Navigating Relationships and Energy
≫ 35:27 Triggers and Complacency
≫ 42:20 Total Mindset Reset
≫ 49:52 The Power of Curiosity
Molly’s Links:
Website: https://mollyfletcher.com/
Book: Dynamic Drive website
Podcast: Game Changers
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Meet Molly
Hailed as the “female Jerry Maguire” by CNN, Molly Fletcher made a name for herself as one of the first female sports agents. During her almost two-decade career, Molly negotiated over $500 million in contracts and represented over 300 of sports’ biggest names, including Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz, PGA TOUR golfer Matt Kuchar, broadcaster Erin Andrews, and basketball championship coaches Tom Izzo and Doc Rivers. Today she is one of the most booked female speakers in the world, and her TED Talk “Secrets of a Champion Mindset” has more than one million views. She is the author of multiple books, including The Energy Clock, Fearless at Work, and A Winner’s Guide to Negotiating. Her latest book, Dynamic Drive, releases in September 2024.
Molly is the founder and host of the Game Changers with Molly Fletcher podcast, where she interviews experts and celebrities in every field including Troy Aikman, Sue Bird, Glennon Doyle, Priyanka Chopra Jonas, Matthew McConaughey, and Simon Sinek. Molly’s insights have been featured in prestigious media outlets, including CNN, ESPN, Forbes, Fast Company, InStyle, and Sports Illustrated. Her company
Game Changer Performance Group helps clients unlock peak performance through its three signature training experiences: Energy, Negotiation and GamechangHER.
Transcript:
Molly Fletcher:
I think fundamentally where people can start is to pull back and say, look, where am I playing a little small? Where am I maybe a little bit limiting what’s possible for me? And then, that’s where we really want to start to peel the onion back. Where am I playing a little small? And then I think asking ourselves too, what’s at risk to make the change? But here’s the big one, what’s at risk if I don’t?
Tori Dunlap:
Oh, it’s not Control V anymore. Hello everybody, I just got a new Mac, for the first time in four years I have a Mac. I’ve been lucky enough to partner with some PC companies, so I just keep getting PCs, and so it’s been not fiscally responsible to go buy a Mac. But basically, we had to get a Mac because the podcast equipment wasn’t working. I love it, I have missed it, but I also, I’ve had four years of PC keyboard commands, and it’s like, I have to rewire my brain and figure out what the hell is going on. Also, Kristen, they got rid of the bar at the top, which I appreciate, I think because everybody hated it. I showed up and I was expecting the bar at the top of the keyboard, but it’s not there, and I’m kind of thankful for that because literally no one I talked to liked it.
You know the show, hi, we talk about how money affects women differently, welcome to Financial Feminists. You can subscribe, you can rate us five stars, we would really appreciate it. And we have a returning guest on the show, who I am a massive fan of, and who has a new book out, and I can’t wait for you all to hear this interview, but I also cannot wait for you all to get her book, which is literally out right now. It came out two days ago. Hailed as the female Jerry Maguire by CNN, Molly Fletcher has made a name for herself as one of the first female sports agents. During her almost two decade career, Molly negotiated over $500 million in contracts, that’s half a billion by the way, and represented over 300 of sports’ biggest names, including Hall of Fame pitcher, John Smoltz, PGA Tour golfer, Matt Kuchar, Kuch, broadcaster, Aaron Andrews, and basketball championship coaches, Tom Izzo and Doc Rivers.
Today, she’s one of the most booked female speakers in the world, and her TED Talk, Secrets of a Champion Mindset, has more than 1 million views. She’s the author of multiple books, including The Energy Clock, Fearless at Work, and the Winner’s Guide to Negotiating, and her latest book called Dynamic Drive is out now. Molly is the founder and host of the Game Changers with Molly Fletcher podcast, which I’m lucky enough to be on, where she interviews experts and celebrities in every field, including Troy Aikman, Sue Bird, Glennon Doyle, Priyanka Chopra-Jonas, Matthew McConaughey, and a bunch of other folks. This episode, we talk on what to do if you feel stuck in your life. What to do if you’re feeling complacency in your life, in your career, in your relationships, I think we’ve all felt this way at some point, and I talk with so many of you who feel this way.
So, this is a no skip episode. This is not one we skip, this is not one we listen to and don’t take notes. She has so many incredible ways to get out of that complacency, to figure out what you actually want, and to fulfill your life’s purpose, which we absolutely fucking love. We also talk about how to use dopamine in a way that is positive, as opposed to just scrolling endlessly on TikTok, as well as ways that we can use curiosity in our lives, which has become a recurring theme on this show, to get over our fear of failure. Molly, take us away, without further ado, let’s get into it. But first a word from our sponsors.
I have family in Atlanta,
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, you did tell me that. You need to come, tell me when you’re here.
Tori Dunlap:
I know, I like it a lot.
Molly Fletcher:
Do you come to Atlanta much?
Tori Dunlap:
I come every couple years.
Molly Fletcher:
Okay, okay.
Tori Dunlap:
I feel like… And it’s, I’m trying to always find the right time because I feel like the last couple of times it’s been too hot. The last time I was there, it was… It hot.
Molly Fletcher:
Well, that’s like right now, it’s just brutal. So, yeah, you want to come, and come in the fall.
Tori Dunlap:
I’m a Seattle girly, and I cannot tolerate it.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, it’s brutal.
Tori Dunlap:
It is. It’s so hot. So, the last time I was there was my book tour. So, full circle with now you releasing a book, which is so cool.
Molly Fletcher:
Aw, I love that.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah.
Molly Fletcher:
That’s awesome. Did you do some bookstore appearances, stuff like that?
Tori Dunlap:
We did an event with, we had an official book tour of five cities, and Atlanta was one of them.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah. Oh, cool.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah. And then I hung out with my uncle and aunt after for a couple days, which was really nice. Because yeah, they live across the country, I don’t get to see them all that often.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah. Good.
Tori Dunlap:
So, it was really nice.
Molly Fletcher:
Where do they live in Atlanta again?
Tori Dunlap:
Oh, they’re in Decatur.
Molly Fletcher:
That’s right. I remember that.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah.
Molly Fletcher:
Okay. No, I’m excited to be back.
Tori Dunlap:
I know, it’s been over a year, what’s happened in your life since then, other than the obvious that we’ll get into?
Molly Fletcher:
It’s been busy. We have been preparing for the birth of this sixth child, if you will, which is like, when you put a book out into the world, it really is like birthing a child, and you know that all too well, Tori. But it’s been really, really fun, we have three daughters now off in college, so we’re empty-nesters, so it’s kind of fun. A little golf, little extra things that you can do that you couldn’t do at 5:00 or 6:00 at night because you were running kids around at practice, and games, and all that. So, it’s been a fun time.
Tori Dunlap:
That was my parents’ experience too. I’m an only child, but I think when I left it was kind of like, they were, I’m sure, bummed to see me go, but it was also like, oh, who are we without children? That rediscovery period of what do we want to do now that we’re not volunteering at her school, and driving her to piano, and all of that?
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah. Well, that’s why I always think it’s important for younger couples to keep dating when you have young kids. Go to dinners, be together, go do things together, because my little miracles, they all go off to college, and obviously continuing to date and enjoying being together is huge, which I’m really grateful that Fred and I do.
Tori Dunlap:
So, this is your second time on the show, I still listen to your first episode because I need the kick that you gave me a lot, and that is the highest compliment I can give to guests, if I go back and listen to my own show. But if folks haven’t listened to that episode, which they definitely should, can you give us the quick, who are you? What do you do? Female Jerry Maguire, talk to me.
Molly Fletcher:
Well, yeah, Tori, for almost 20 years I was a sports agent, and represented professional athletes, and coaches, and broadcasters, and had a team of agents that helped us serve all of our clients. And then, I wrote a couple books, and those books evolved to a point where the phone was ringing, going, hey, will you come and talk about your book? And I did, and then I sort of found myself at a place where, wow, this is really rewarding, this is really fulfilling. I’m able to tell stories in a way that’s serving people, from what was really a pretty awesome court side seat to peak performers. I took a leap of faith, I jumped, on paper it probably made no sense. People sort of thought, what are you doing? You’re a sports agent, you have this dream job, and you’re hitting a jet to go motivate and inspire… What?
And that’s part of why I wrote this book, Dynamic Drive, that we’re talking a little bit about today, is because I think our lives are dynamic, and they are ever-changing. And as we evolve, our purpose evolves, and what inspires us evolves, and that was part of where I started to ask myself that question, Tori, which was, what do I want my tombstone to say? What do I want my legacy to be? And so, that became a little bit of a question that kept bubbling up, and it was like, okay, do I want to negotiate a billion dollars, 2 billion in contracts, and be on the ticker on ESPN for contract… Or boy, this feels like this is helping people, sharing these stories. And so, I made the shift, and like everything, change is hard, but boy, it’s when we grow. I really think it’s when we grow.
Tori Dunlap:
Well, and speaking of that, one of the common themes of your book that I really wanted to delve into is complacency, and what you call the complacency epidemic. Can you define what that is, and why you think it happens?
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, for sure. And I would say it’s maybe, it’s something that bubbles up inside of us, and it sort of takes root, sometimes sort of in an invisible way. It’s like, we find ourselves there, and I often encourage people to be gentle on themselves in that regard because sometimes we don’t even know why we’re there. So, my book, Dynamic Drive, is essentially at some level on the opposite end of how we avoid and keep complacency sidelined. And it’s a word that… People will say, yeah, I’m a little stuck, I’m a little stuck in a relationship, or I’m a little stuck at work, or I’m a little stuck-
Tori Dunlap:
They’re not saying complacent.
Molly Fletcher:
No, they’re not, Tori, and it’s such a trip. So, it’s one of those things where, maybe you started a job, and you were like, I’m just going to do this for a year, I’m going to just kind of do this for a year, and it’s been 10. And you’re still in it, and you’re just like, at this point, you’re kind of like, eh, I’m just grind it out. In part, I think complacency is when we start to tell ourselves, when I do X, when I am here, or there, or when I have, then I will… Fill in the blank. So, it’s like, I would say we know we’re there when we find ourselves saying, when I… Fill in the blank, then I’ll… Fill in the blank.
Tori Dunlap:
When I have time I’ll look for a new job.
Molly Fletcher:
Exactly.
Tori Dunlap:
When the kids go off to college, then I will start to date my wife again. When I lose the weight, then I will be happy. Yeah.
Molly Fletcher:
Yep, exactly. And so, Dynamic Drive is in so many ways a bold attempt to redefine drive, to challenge people to at some level explore their relationship with drive, in service of ensuring that it isn’t a singular pursuit of an outcome. Because essentially, what’s fascinating when we think about complacency actually, Tori, is that it’s ripe to set in after we’ve achieved a big goal, which is kind of weird, right? Yeah, you’re nodding. It is. It’s ripe to… And drive is a great thing, but to me, often it is pursued in isolation, and that’s a one-way street. And it’s a one-way street, in my opinion, to maybe complacency or unfulfillment. So, because our lives are dynamic, we need a different kind of… A drive that is anchored in our values and our purpose.
I think that’s part of what happens, we pursue a goal in isolation, and then we are so locked in on that, that sometimes we don’t pull up and say, what am I compromising in this pursuit? Who am I becoming? So, complacency is really the antithesis, and like you laughed at, right? When people say they’re stuck, they go, oh, yeah, totally, but people don’t like that word complacency because we feel like we got to own it, but there’s a better way, and that’s why I wrote this book.
Tori Dunlap:
We have talked a lot on this show about that feeling, and I have called it being comfortable, and I don’t mean safe, I mean when your head hits the pillow at night and you think, I don’t know if this is the right relationship for me, but I don’t want to be single, and I don’t want to be lonely, and I don’t want to go out there into the unknown. Or this job is fine, it’s not my favorite, but it’s fine. It pays the bills, it does… And it’s that feeling that you know you’re worth more, and that your life could be bigger, but “this is fine.” And especially for women, I think we’re just taught to settle so much because we’ve taught to not have standards. We’ve taught that we shouldn’t want things. We’ve been taught that we shouldn’t desire things. Is that really what we’re talking about in a different way when we talk about complacency as well?
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, I think this is an inside out approach to, you sort of used the word, I think we can be comfortable, but we don’t want to be complacent. We can be content and ambitious. We can be content and joyful and fulfilled. And I think the first step for people is to consider, if you’re laying your head down at night and going, when I, or I don’t want to make a change, or I don’t want to be by myself, or I don’t want to go through the hassle of shifting jobs, or making that change, or being uncomfortable, or what if it doesn’t work? I think at the most fundamental level, we’ve got to start with shifting our mindset to start to come out of this place, where maybe we’re settling, to your point. And it is such a fulfilling way to live our lives when our pursuits are anchored in our values, when our pursuits are anchored in the thing that we’re most uniquely gifted to do.
And every woman that’s listening to this show has this inside of them, they have this spark, it’s there, it’s just unlocking it, and tapping into it, and helping them recognize, look, we have 70,000 thoughts a day, automatic thoughts, 70,000. So, if we aren’t intentional about reframing those thoughts that say, eh, I’m just going to settle. He’s okay. Job’s okay. Eh. I’m going to just… That’s when we have to, I talk about we’ve got to recognize when we’re doing that, which is limiting us, to your point about settling, and then we’ve got to replace it with, what is possible? What is the optimal outcome relative to the way that I want to show up in the world? And how I am uniquely positioned to show up in the world with my gifts?
And then we’ve got to reinforce it. Maybe the shift that we want to make is something that we, literally, it’s the screen or on our phone, it’s a frame by our bed, it’s a piece of paper we stick on our door, in our office or at our house. Because we need to have that mental script running so that we can start to default and shift those 70,000 thoughts.
Tori Dunlap:
Well, and you’re already doing what my next question was, which is, how do we start realizing we’re in this place of complacency? And it sounds like the, if I was doing this, or when I get to this point, then I’ll do this, and it also sounds like that feeling of being stuck, or that feeling of realizing, okay, there’s something in my life I want to change, and do I have the bravery and the courage to change it? What are the other signs we’re looking for here?
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, I think there’s internal limiting beliefs, I can’t, why me? I’m not enough, I’m not good enough. All these internal limiting beliefs. And then, I think we have to consider, are there any external things in our environment, people in our environment that are limiting us pursuing a better version of ourselves? Is there something that is holding us back externally? Who is that? Maybe it’s a behavior, maybe it’s a relationship, maybe it’s a belief system. Maybe it’s something that ladders up from the way we were potentially rewarded or acknowledged as a kid. What is something that’s keeping us maybe a little stuck in our external environment, recognizing what those are? And so, I think fundamentally where people can start is to pull back and say, look, where am I playing a little small? Where am I maybe a little bit limiting what’s possible for me?
And then, that’s where we really want to start to peel the onion back. Where am I playing a little small? And then, I think asking ourselves too, Tori, what’s at risk to make the change? But here’s the big one, what’s at risk if I don’t? And I would say often the answer is fear, embarrassment, the fear of change, the fear of failure. And what I can promise people is on the other side of a kind of drive that’s anchored in purpose, a kind of drive that’s ambitious, a kind of drive that loves the pursuit of getting better, that’s the kind of drive that we have the energy to say yes to what we want to, and no to what we don’t want to, we know why we say yes, we know why we say no. We have obstacles that come at us throughout the day, throughout the week, throughout our lives, and we say, what’s the opportunity inside of this?
What’s the opportunity inside of this? We want to be more curious than we want to be right. Curiosity is a powerful component inside of this, and I think people listening, it’s sort of going, huh, how can I get curious about where maybe I am a little stuck? Where can I just start? And then, I think just, to your point, for women, we beat ourselves up, we’re hard on ourselves. I have a whole section in the book, Tori, on how balance is BS, total BS, and that it’s all about alignment. And Dynamic Drive, I walk people through a model of, how can we tap into an alignment that serves us, and doesn’t sever us at some level and leave us exhausted and drained? Because we compromise ourselves as women, often, when we attempt this nebulous, fictitious pursuit of balance. What is that? It’s a disaster.
Tori Dunlap:
And I’m thinking, you gave the example of some of the limiting beliefs that we may have been fed, and I love my parents very much, they’ve been very supportive, and at the same time, through no fault of their own, I’ve told the story in the show before, but they begged me not to become a full-time entrepreneur. They were like, “You need to pick the stable option,” because stability to them meant safety. And their number one job as a parent is to keep me safe. So, when I’m 25 and I have this growing business, and I’m on Good Morning America, and there’s momentum, and I’m making money, and all of these things are happening, I’m like, “I think it’s time,” and they’re like, “You need to do whatever you possibly can to keep your 9:00 to 5:00 job, and your 401k, and your healthcare.” And so, I think that that was the perfect example for me, of these people who didn’t have all the information I did, and who had picked different choices than I had picked.
And if I would’ve listened to them, love you, Mom and Dad, my life would’ve been very different. And I jokingly call them sometimes, and I’m like, “Remember that terrible advice you gave me once, about sticking it out at my 9:00 to 5:00 job?” But I think that’s one thing that, a lot of times when we have these sorts of conversations about complacency, people sometimes are in the very dramatic situations, where maybe you’re with a partner who makes you feel like shit, or maybe you’re at a company where you know it’s toxic, but then there’s also a version that sometimes well-meaning people in your life are giving you advice and you have to choose who to listen to.
And you also have to figure out, is this the kind of advice for the life I want to live? Or is this the path that I want to be on? Even if no one in my lineage has chosen that path before, even if none of my friends are doing it, even if my partner is kind of like, I love you, but I think this might be insane. So, I do want to acknowledge that there is this part I think of complacency that isn’t maybe so dramatic, of my situation is so terrible, and it’s just like, what if I chose something different, and how is everybody in my life going to react to that decision?
Molly Fletcher:
Totally. And it’s your life, you are the one that gets to wake up and live it. When I was an agent, it was always, it’s so easy for everybody to throw darts, or throw ideas, but they don’t have to do it, they don’t have to answer, or build, or navigate, or grind against something that they don’t love. I think burnout is really just a result, candidly, of chasing the wrong things.
Tori Dunlap:
You’re so good, Molly. Because that was one of my questions, I go, complacency versus burnout, what is the difference between those two things? Because I do think sometimes if we don’t have drive and we don’t have motivation, it’s not complacency, we’re fucking tired.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, totally. Totally. Complacency, it truly is, it’s a bit of an invisible weed that we can drift into, and then we get to a place where we’re like, ooh, getting out of this will be kind of tough. You go to a job that you’re going to be there for a year, you’re there 10 years later, and now you’re making an interesting amount of money, you got house payments, and car payments, and kids, and it’s like, ah, I always thought I wanted to do that, but now, no way, I can’t. So, it just sort of evolves into that place, and I think the truth is, what I’m on a mission at some level to do is to say there is a way to catch ourselves before it rolls down the hill, and getting it and getting out of that rut is so hard. And I feel really fortunate because my husband, my mom, they will tell me things that are hard to hear sometimes, but there was moments where, certainly to your point, there are people in our lives, all of our lives, that mean well, like your parents, they meant well, right?
My first job in Atlanta, it was miserable. The woman I worked for was the devil. But I would drive home every night, I would cry all the way home to my parents in Michigan. I’d moved to Atlanta, with 2000 boxes, I was a receptionist at the Super Bowl, I tell that story I think in our previous… But my dad is amazing, amazing, and he said, “Honey, just come home, what are you doing down there?” And the truth is, my life would’ve been very different had I done that. Now, I talk to my 87 and 82-year-old parents every day, they’re incredible, and they met well by that.
Tori Dunlap:
They wanted to keep you safe. They saw their daughter struggling, and they’re like, come home.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, for sure.
Tori Dunlap:
I want you to be safe. Yeah. Yeah.
Molly Fletcher:
So, for me, Dynamic Drive is a way for people to see when they’re starting to go to the other side. Because I think people think failure and success are at opposite ends of the spectrum, they’re not. And so, Dynamic Drive at some level is a tool belt to reach into, relative to what you need. Maybe you need a little resilience, maybe it’s a mindset shift, maybe it’s a little bit more discipline. Maybe it’s, man, I need to be able to step into these moments with more confidence. I need stronger and healthy relationships. The difference fundamentally is that it’s anchored in our purpose, what drives us. And to your question about burnout, burnout is, it is 100%, in my opinion, a result of chasing stuff that doesn’t matter to us. Doing things, putting energy toward grinding towards something that, for whatever reason, isn’t our thing. It’s not our jam.
And when we anchor our pursuits in what we believe we’re uniquely called to go and do, and how we are uniquely positioned to be our best, when we anchor it, and that burnout’s to the side. Even the competition, you know how women, we tend to look externally for, maybe it’s validation, maybe it’s comparing… We know this, right? It’s something that we women do. But it’s a nauseating, fatiguing, unhealthy, certainly normal, but something that if we’re pursuing better… And we’re starting in here, right? It’s about who we want to be, how we want to show up, what legacy we want to leave, who we want to at our 90th birthday party.
If that’s where we’re anchored, we don’t spend a lot of time worried about the other guy. I could tell you from my days as a sports agent, Seth Curry, he’s not too worried about what LeBron’s doing, he’s just not. Has he got a little bit of a [inaudible 00:24:54]? But he’s not totally, that’s not what he’s obsessed with, he’s obsessed with how he can get better as a basketball player. And I think if we can grab some of that mindset into our own lives, that’s powerful.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah.
I always think about, especially for women, if you are placating others, but pissing off yourself, if you are denying what you want in order to placate somebody else… And I have direct experience doing this, of being the kind of person that somebody else wanted me to be, so I didn’t piss that person off. And then I didn’t feel good about who I was because I was denying myself my wants and my needs and who I actually was. I can’t have women do that anymore.
Molly Fletcher:
No question. No question. Was that a dude?
Tori Dunlap:
It was actually my parents. It was my parents.
Molly Fletcher:
Oh, wow. Okay.
Tori Dunlap:
I’m sure I did it for a dude at some point too. Without getting too much into it, my parents have the same idea that respect and obedience are the same thing.
Molly Fletcher:
Interesting.
Tori Dunlap:
So, if I was disobedient, I was disrespectful, and I’m in my 20s, I’m an adult, I make my own money, I don’t live in the house anymore. And it was a multi, multi-year process, and still continues to be, where certain things I would do that they did not approve of, were not only seen as disobedient, but disrespectful. And so, I was a good girl, and didn’t want to my piss parents off, and wanted to make them proud, but then I was denying myself what I wanted, and the kind of person I wanted to be.
And when I first started disobeying, to being disobedient, it did not go over well. And for many, many years, we had a massive conflict of that. And I don’t want to go into it too much because it’s between my parents and I, but it was something that I had to realize, yeah, I’m not willing to sacrifice who I am and who I want to be just to make somebody else more comfortable. And yeah, I have done that for men as well.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah.
Tori Dunlap:
When you stop doing it, it’s kind of scary, it feels very scary, but it also feels the most liberating feeling in the entire world.
Molly Fletcher:
I bet. Totally.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah.
Molly Fletcher:
Totally. And I think in part too, I think sometimes we’ve all found ourselves in moments like that, where we’re doing something for other people’s-
Tori Dunlap:
[inaudible 00:27:30].
Molly Fletcher:
… perception, respect… Yes.
Tori Dunlap:
Yep, yep.
Molly Fletcher:
But the truth is, what I really believe, that isn’t sustainable.
Tori Dunlap:
No, no.
Molly Fletcher:
It’s not sustainable. And the other thing is, wildly, and it so significantly impacts our ability to connect with who we’re really supposed to be connecting with. It really does, because when I was a female sports agent, Tori, nobody looked like me, nobody was on the fences, or behind home plate, and it would’ve been easy to attempt to show up in a way that would fit in, that would be more acceptable, normal, whatever the word. But it was like, I can’t sustain that.
Tori Dunlap:
And it doesn’t feel authentic. It’s not authentic at all.
Molly Fletcher:
No, 100%. No 100%. And so, I think having the pit that you probably had in your stomach when you were going through that, or for me, the pit that I had in my stomach every day on my way into that job, with an absolutely miserable mean boss, and parents who are incredible, saying, “Eh, honey, come home,” That pit though, to me, and staying in hard, I think when we can push through what we believe to be right for us, in service of us being better, we strengthen our resilience muscle. You know what I mean? We live in a world where the change is rampant, and living in the Dynamic Drive, this kind of drive, it means that yeah, sometimes we’re going to have a hiccup, a speed bump. But if we’re doing something in pursuit of our deepest values and purpose, all those speed bumps and hiccups, they’re really just no big deal. Because it’s anchored in something so much bigger than an outcome. So, we have more, I think, strength at some level, to recover, and have that next play mindset I talk about.
Tori Dunlap:
You mentioned something about post-it notes on your wall, or… I’ve been thinking a lot about this, and I’ve actually been wanting to do an episode on my own for the podcast about this. But can we talk about the diet you feed yourself? And I don’t mean physically, I don’t mean the food you’re consuming. But I think that one thing I realize when I’m the best version of myself, it is the podcasts I’m listening to, it’s the people I’m talking to and spending time with, it’s my first hour in the morning, what does that look like? And what am I doing? And so, maybe can we talk about how important, what kind of metrics are there for you when you do decide, oh, I want to do something about this complacency?
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah. God, that’s awesome. I absolutely believe a quick and really fundamental tool and tactic is these reminders that we can see, that we can post on our, to your point, mirror, wall, screensavers… We need to be able to recognize the moments when we’re having limiting beliefs, and then we have to be super intentional about shifting it. And trust the process in that, right? And be gentle on ourselves along the way. It’s going to take a minute. But relative to diet, that’s part of it because it’s what we’re taking in. Whether it’s podcasts, whether it’s what we see, whether it’s the people that we’re around, and that are part of us. So, having just a really, I think pulling back for people, and saying, mentally, what am I taking in? Physically, what are the things that I’m doing that give me energy, that drain my energy? Emotionally, who is filling me up? How am I filling others up? Because we know that fills us up.
All of the emotional practices like that. I think spiritually, whatever that might be for people, are we intentional? Are you intentional about that diet that it can bring you? So, I think sometimes I like to think about things, maybe it’s just because I’m not smart enough, I like to think about things… I’m sort of getting. But relative to… I think sometimes we can sort of dial it back a little bit, and just say, okay, look, mentally, physically, emotionally, relationally, spiritually, what am I feeding myself? In those five categories? And then, the other thing I think is really, really big, particularly for women, Tori, is, which I teach, is the energy audit, which is sort of pulling back and saying… Because when we think about having a healthy diet, it means that we have to have the energy for relationships that-
Tori Dunlap:
Consumption.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, we have to have the energy for the relationships, the things we want to change… It takes energy to change. So, to me, I would encourage people to pull back and say, what gives you energy? What are the relationships that give you energy? What gives you energy physically, in those same categories? Mentally? Emotionally? And then, what drains your energy? One of the things, I don’t know if I told you this story when we were together last time, but I always joke and say, are there people who call you on your phone and you see their name and you want to shoot yourself? You got people like that?
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah, I think less so now. I think I’ve tried to-
Molly Fletcher:
Good.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah.
Molly Fletcher:
You’ve trimmed the fat. Which is a really, that’s a hard thing to do, but when you did, how did you feel after, as you moved back into your world?
Tori Dunlap:
Oh, well, immediately after you feel like shit.
Molly Fletcher:
Totally.
Tori Dunlap:
But then… You start feeling bad. And the other thing too that is coming up for me as we’re talking about this, is that I’ve realized that there’s some people in my life for certain things, and let me say more what I mean about that. There’s some people in my life who maybe I’ve known for a long time, or who are just really kind people, but they don’t motivate me. And seasons where I need to be motivated, I’m calling and hanging out more with the people who are like, oh, I’m doing this, and I’m doing this, and I’m doing this… And I’m like, great, let’s fucking go, right?
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah. Right.
Tori Dunlap:
And then, there’s seasons where it’s quieter, and I need to keep to myself more, or I need more of those supportive relationships for just who I am at that current moment, and maybe those are what I’m tapping into those friendships, or hanging out with those people more. It’s the same thing with music. There’s sometimes you need to calm down, I’m listening to classical music, when I need to pump myself up, it’s like club remixes.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.
Tori Dunlap:
And so, I think that’s the other thing, is we’re not asking you to necessarily stop talking to people in your life because they don’t motivate you, but I do feel like there are some people who are very kind, and who you want to be friends with, but maybe are also in a place in complacency, those are not the people to take inspiration from when you’re trying to change your life.
Molly Fletcher:
Yes. Our daughters are 20, 20 and 21, and I remember a woman telling me once, she said, “Who their network of friends is, you have a tremendous amount of influence on them, but certainly as they get older, into those teenage years and out into college, who they’re around, the kind of information they’re taking in, the people, the energy, the behaviors, the thinking, all of that, it’s just soaking through their skin.” And so, I think the level of intentionality that I always encourage my girls to have around who and what you are spending your time and energy with, it’s really important.
And I think too, it’s saying, who can I give to? I think, my mom was one of the most giving people I know, and she was always serving other people, and what I saw though was just the joy that it would bring her. So, to your point about we don’t need to be around people all the time that make us, and lift us up, we also have to fill up our energy cup enough that we’ve got some to go give to the guy with a sign on the corner. It’s a big deal.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah. A lot of what we’re talking about here is fear, and that’s another common thing that comes up on the show, and at the heart of complacency, you call out that that’s what really keeps us stuck. So, you talk about recognizing some of the triggers that might be bringing up fear, can you share those, and can we talk more about that?
Molly Fletcher:
We talked about internal triggers and external triggers, and I think mindset is a key in Dynamic Drive too, which helps us shift when we find ourselves with these internal triggers. So, I’m going to rattle off a few, literally straight from the book, but internal triggers might be blaming, complaining, feeling unmotivated, failure to maybe follow through, not really that interested in finishing, not taking maybe initiative around things that normally we potentially would have. I think a lack of curiosity, candidly, is a sign that we’re just settled in. We’re good where we are, we think maybe I’ve kind of got all the answers. Because I think if we’re maybe, like we said earlier, playing it safe, we’re just taking the low road… Autopilot might be a good word for people to consider. If there’s areas in our lives where we feel like we’re just waking up, getting through the day, hitting the autopilot button, those are indicators.
Those are indicators. And then, I think external rights, certainly, our environment, our support network that we have, or potentially that we don’t have. Distractions, doubters, critics… I used to always say to my athletes, this is before social media, but I even tell my daughters this now, even with phones, you cannot pay attention… Tori, you’re out there in the world, I’m out there in the world, if you sat there and read, it doesn’t serve you. So, I think you’ve got to block out the noise. What’s so funny?
Tori Dunlap:
Oh, you’re coming off of-
Molly Fletcher:
Do you have something recently?
Tori Dunlap:
Mm-hmm. Three weeks ago, we lost 40,000 Instagram followers because I posted a photo of me in a bathing suit.
Molly Fletcher:
Wow. No way.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah.
Molly Fletcher:
That’s insane.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah. And oh, the comments were so funny.
Molly Fletcher:
Did you post it again, maybe just for fun?
Tori Dunlap:
No, I now have a post going viral, talking about the post.
Molly Fletcher:
Knowing you, you might have thought about it.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah. Oh, and then I posted literally the next day, I’m like, I’m now posting bikini photos out of spite. No, but I think, for me, I have now a barrier where I can read most of them and find them very funny, but the ones… It was from other women, and it’s less about what they’re saying, and more about, God, we’re still doing this. That’s the thing that disappoints me. Where I’m like, oh, we’re still doing this as women, we’re still tearing each other down, we’re still projecting our own insecurities on other people. We see somebody who likes herself, and we don’t, and that’s difficult for us to handle. But yeah, imagine if I had taken the thousands of comments, most of which were lovely, and very supportive, and internalized all of that, where would I be? Probably on the floor.
Molly Fletcher:
Totally.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah.
Molly Fletcher:
100%. But good for you for getting to a place where you can put Teflon up against that and not take it in. And I think, at some level, it’s a calling for us as women too, we need to support each other, and lift each other up, 100%. Even with my family, I’d be like, look, the world’s tough enough out there, in here, we got each other’s backs. You know what I mean? And it’s almost like, let’s do that with women in general, put our arms around each other, and say, let’s support, obviously, one another.
Tori Dunlap:
Right.
Molly Fletcher:
But I think one of the things that feels really important is, a lot of times what shifts people out of complacency, sadly, is something dramatic. And that’s part of what I’m hoping to help flip the switch on.
Tori Dunlap:
Right. How do we start changing things before something crazy happens? Yeah.
Molly Fletcher:
Correct. 100%. Exactly. Because a lot of times we hear the stories. You are told at the doctor that if you don’t do X, you’re going to have a heart attack, or you’re going to be diabetic, and then all of a sudden everything shifts. And in part, it ladders up to what I believe to be a common thread in what drives us, which is purpose, like when we’re told that from a doctor. But why wait? So much of the work that I do is how do we shift behavior in the absence of crisis? Not because the fire alarms are going off, but because we know we got more in our tank. We know that we can be, and show up as a better wife, a better mom, a better partner, a better leader, a better… And that’s mindset, that’s curiosity, that’s stepping into the pit that we get.
What was cool as an agent, Tori, is look, with 300 athletes and coaches, what I saw is everything that was happening when the lights weren’t on, what the world didn’t see. People see these guys and gals stand over a pot and drain it to win a major, or drain free throws to win a game, or strike a guy out to win the World Series, but I saw all the moments where they were so doubtful. Where they were scared. Where they were vomiting outside of their car before they walked into the stadium. Where they were in tears, wondering, how did I get here? And I don’t know if I can handle all this. I saw all that. But then, what I would see with the ones is they would step into it, and the more I think we step into little moments of discomfort, a little bit of that fear, just step into the little ones, and then we start to keep building our confidence. Confidence, I think for us as women, it’s such an important thing, and it takes action to build confidence. It takes doing.
You’ve become more and more confident in your career because you got a lot of reps doing different things, and so the confidence builds. You couldn’t just go sit in a corner of your place, and go like, dude, I am going to be confident. It’s on. You got to go do things. And that helps us unlock it. So, I think in service of the women listening, start with something simple, where you feel a little bit stuck, step into that, embrace the pit that you get in your stomach, trust that the person that comes out will be a little more resilient, a little more confident, a little stronger, healthier, and certainly better.
Tori Dunlap:
Yeah. You mentioned in the book, and we’re getting to that point, which is, okay, I realized I’m complacent, and I want to do something about it, so those moments of discomfort, stepping into that, I think that’s great advice. You talk about a total reset, break down what you mean by that and what those steps are.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, for sure. And the first key is, it is mindset. Obviously this is underpinned with purpose, certainly threaded through it, but I call it a total mindset reset, which is essentially pulling back and recognizing the limiting beliefs that we’re having, in the self-talk, whether it’s internal or external. We’ve got to recognize them, right? We’ve got to see what those are that are maybe flooding our brains. What are the things that trigger it? What are the things that we’re saying to ourselves? Who are the people potentially that are infusing that? We’ve got to start by creating awareness and recognizing it, and then we’ve got to replace it. We’ve got to replace it with, what should I tell myself that is going to ladder up to the outcome that I want? Do I want to feel this way? No. So, what do I need to tell myself so that I can show up the way I want to show up as a mom, as a wife, as a daughter?
What do I need to tell myself in order to make that shift? It’s funny because one of the examples is, a lot of times people will say, well, I just don’t work out because I don’t have time. I’d sleep more if I had more time. And the truth is, the data shows if you had more time, you do exactly what you’re already doing. So, we have to shift the self-talk and say, I feel better when I sleep, when I rest. I feel better when I out. And we’ve got to replace the I don’t have time, or the when I… Fill in the blank, with, I feel better when I’m present for my kids. I feel better when I’m home for dinner. I feel better when I’m at the game. And so, we’ve got to replace it, and then we’ve got to reinforce it, right? We’ve got to reinforce it.
We can do that externally and certainly internally. And really, I think encouraging… It’s funny, my husband just lost a lot of weight, and it was really cool, he had this weight tracker that he would text to our entire family group chat. And it’s literally, you can just see it every day just going down, down, down. But what it helped him do is create a little bit of accountability, it was something that he thought of, but it helped him reinforce, and it helped him see his progress. One of the things that I think is important too when we think about drive, candidly, a Dynamic Drive, is that a lot of times when we set goals and try to achieve them in isolation, we get tired, we get fatigued as we pursue it. And so, when he did that, my husband did that, at some level, it’s like dripping a little dopamine into him. You know what I mean? Like, progress, progress, progress.
Tori Dunlap:
We were going to talk about dopamine, so that’s perfect. Yes.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah. It’s sort of this, it keeps us motivated. It keeps us like, oh, cool, I’m seeing the progress. We need to… Dopamine is a real, I’m not a neuroscientist, right? I’m certainly not. But it plays a role in us getting better, us stepping into what I call total mindset reset, and the three Rs.
Tori Dunlap:
I read a research study recently, and by that I mean I watched a TikTok, where this woman talked about, literally just watched it last night, she talked about exactly what you were saying, of the things you can control. I feel better when… It can’t be I feel better when the sun’s shining because you can’t control that. But I feel better when I drink X amount of water. I feel better when I take a walk in the morning. And then, what she did is she put a whole list of these things, and then at the end of the day, she’d score how well did she do. Now, there’s no shame if the score is bad because sometimes we have bad days, sometimes we can’t get out of bed because we’re sick, or we’re tired.
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah totally.
Tori Dunlap:
But she goes, she said, “I feel so much better when my score is 17 out of 20, as opposed to nine out of 20.” Because the act of writing them down and the act of checking them at the end of the day kept her accountable, but it also reinforced, oh, I do feel better when I take a walk, I do feel better when I don’t scroll on my phone for the first 30 minutes of the day, or whatever. And so, I think that that is the dopamine hit we’re talking about here. And now, there’s this trend on TikTok, I don’t know if you’ve seen it, of the dopamine menu. Have you seen this?
Molly Fletcher:
No, I need to check it out. No.
Tori Dunlap:
It’s this idea very similar of stacking things together that give you, yourself, dopamine. So, maybe it’s like, lunch with friends, plus reading a book, plus going on a walk, plus watching your favorite TV show, or whatever, and stacking them all together. Kristin, I think that’s right, right?
Molly Fletcher:
That’s cool.
Tori Dunlap:
Dopamine menu? Yeah, it’s fun. Dopamine has been used, in maybe a negative way, to boost the revenue of Facebook, and Instagram, and TikTok, and all these places because of the dopamine hits. But I love this idea of dopamine at the end of the day, is a helpful brain chemical. It makes us happy. It makes us want more of things. And so. Figuring out how can we structure our days or our lives so that we’re more motivated?
Molly Fletcher:
Yeah, totally. And part of that is, what she’s talking about there in that example, it’s acknowledging our progress, it’s acknowledging our effort. And part of the energy audit that I talk about is similar to what she framed up, the woman you’re referencing, which is, I think for us as women pulling back and saying, what are the things that give you energy, to your point about stacking them, that are a minute, that are five minutes, that are 15 minutes, that are an hour? Because we can’t wait until spring break in March or Thanksgiving break to give ourselves the dopamine hit and do a bunch of stuff that we love. That is not sustainable, that’s a recipe for feeling exhausted and burned out. And that, I think, is fundamentally, sometimes what can get us drifting into this place of despair or complacency is when we’re not acknowledging our progress, when we’re not acknowledging our effort, and we’re not releasing those little dopamine drops throughout the day to reinforce our progress and to celebrate the milestones.
It’s such a big part of our pursuit is recognizing those efforts along the way, and that positive feedback loop. It gives us energy. It helps us sustain momentum. Because look, motivation, it wanes. Some days you’re just like, dude, I’m not that motivated, and so it wanes. And so, I think at some level, when we pull back and look at things through this lens of purpose, through this lens of Dynamic Drive, through this lens of the pursuit of better, not goals and isolation, and then acknowledge our effort along the way, you’re right, dopamine can play a really big part in the sustainability of whatever it is that we’re going after, big, small, whatever it is. It helps us. So, see, after this conversation, you got dopamine dripping, dude, because of our… I’m just kidding.
Tori Dunlap:
No, legitimately. Usually I get off of podcast episodes and I feel like I can lift a car, and that’s testament to how bad ass our guests are.
One of the last things I wanted to ask you about, and you had already mentioned this is I so, plus one, completely believe that the antithesis or the answer, if you have this fear of failure is curiosity. And I often get asked by people who are graduating college, I’m so scared about what my life’s going to look like, and I have all this ambition, but I’m really scared. And the thing is, we’ve been asked since we were kids, what do you want to do with your life? That is the biggest, in my opinion, stupidest question in the entire world. That is such a big question that no one answers, the whole point of life-
Molly Fletcher:
As an 18 year old.
Tori Dunlap:
… is to figure it out. Right, right. So, I have people reframe it, like what do you want to do next?
Molly Fletcher:
Oh, that’s cool.
Tori Dunlap:
That’s all you need to answer. What do you want to do next? Because that’s, really what we’re talking about is, very few people now choose a career for their entire life, and Molly, even you were just talking, of like, I am not a sports agent anymore, this is not what I do anymore. So, very few people choose one thing for their entire life, and it’s also, if our life is a collection of stories, go do something fun, go collect that story. So, can we talk about curiosity as the response to this fear of failure?
Molly Fletcher:
Wow, that’s so good. It’s funny, Tori, because on my podcast, Game Changers, the amount of times that word comes up, with all kinds of people, coaches, entrepreneurs, CEOs, leaders… It’s everywhere. And I think it’s thinking and realizing that curiosity can create choices for us, it can create chances for us. It’s shifting sometimes in our lives from feeling like we have all the answers, feeling… To a lens of curiosity versus maybe even judgment sometimes. So, curiosity, I think about it in my own career, for me, Tori, my first job, as I referenced, to your point of young people, when they’re coming out, and how are you supposed to know at 21 years old what you want to do when you’re 65? I don’t know that that’s possible from that perspective because life is so dynamic, our demands change, our relationships evolve… So, I worked for this woman in my first job, six months, I told you she was the devil, but here’s the cool part about curiosity.
So, I answered the phones, Tori. It would be like, “Super Bowl XXVIII, this is Molly,” all day long, in Atlanta, as the receptionist for my first job. Well, this woman would leave all these people on hold, huge… Like CMO of Coke, UPS, Delta, Bell South at the time. Paul Tagliabue, the commissioner of the NFL at the time. She would leave them on hold, and then I would be literally playing Frogger out here, trying to keep everybody and all these bigwigs content while I was trying to get her to take these calls. Well, what happened is, to your point about curiosity, these incredible people with jobs that I was like, wow, man, if that person could help me, or hire me, or give me some advice one day, this would be huge. I share all that only because I didn’t know in that moment that I even wanted to be a sports agent, I just knew I sort of was super interested in the business of sports.
And my whole philosophy was, how can I get curious? How can I get people to like and respect me enough to help me or hire me? And so, when these people would come up to the office, they would see this shenanigan that I was navigating, and what was outstanding was it was taking that obstacle at some level, and saying, how can I connect with these people in such a way that they’ll help me or hire me? And that essentially was anchored in curiosity. It was anchored in knowing a little bit about them when they were coming up, having a little something up my sleeve that I had researched or dug into because of, again, curiosity. And then, having that up my sleeve in a way that I could pull it out in service of connection.
Curiosity creates connection too, right? When I was a female sports agent, I’d be in the room, Tori, and people would be like, “Why did you bring your assistant to the meeting? What’s the deal with that?” And so, sometimes I would have to have little nuggets up my sleeve because I’d gotten really curious about their world, and then have to pull that out in a way that drove connection in service of really building my business as an agent. So, it’s a linchpin curiosity is, and I do this with our daughters. Just stay curious. And that’s part of, I think a better way of life, is this learning and growing lens that we can commit to, whether it’s the guy that drops off, or the gal, the Amazon driver, the person at the checkout counter, at the post office… When we’re curious, in little moments and in big moments, we unlock cool stuff for them, or for us, or for whatever reason, but that’s what it’s all about.
Tori Dunlap:
It’s also just kind.
Molly Fletcher:
100%.
Tori Dunlap:
It’s also just kind.
Molly Fletcher:
Totally.
Tori Dunlap:
The amount of times I… I do this anywhere I go, if I’m ordering a coffee, if I’m checking into a hotel, there’s always the, how are you? How are you? And then, as somebody’s doing something, usually checking me out or whatever, I go, how’s your day going? I ask that of every single person. And unfortunately, the amount of people who look at me like I’ve just asked, do you want a million dollars? They’re like, it’s actually okay, thank you for asking. Nobody asks. And I’m not trying to get anything, I’m just trying to make a human connection with this person, and trying to show them like, I see you as a human being. And I also am just standing there, I could go on my phone or I could ask you how your day’s going. And that also makes my day better, that makes hopefully their day better.
Molly Fletcher:
Sure.
Tori Dunlap:
It’s very simple, but it’s so effective.
Molly Fletcher:
It is. And you’re right. A lot of times I’ll ask, and I’m sure I asked you this when you weren’t on my podcast, right? Like, hey, is there anything that I can speak to that really, really serves you? Maybe a non-profit that you’re involved with?
Tori Dunlap:
Yes.
Molly Fletcher:
And you’d be amazed at the amount of guests that are like, wow, I really appreciate you asking that question. I don’t think so. Let’s just do this. Or maybe they did have something. But you’re 100% right. And I think too, when we’re in those moments… It was so cool, my daughter and I were out to lunch the other day, and the waitress came up and my daughter looked at her and said, “Hi,” and we chatted for a minute, and she said, “God, your skin is absolutely beautiful, wow.” And it was. But when we have, I guess, in part I’m saying is, when we have a little something that we think can make somebody smile, or make their day a little… Say it. Say it. So often, I think sometimes we, for whatever reason, hold it back, but maybe that was the thing that she needed to hear that day. For whatever reason. It’s like having a gift with a big red bow on it, and not handing it out. So, yeah, curiosity can unlock things like that too.
Tori Dunlap:
I am obsessed with you, you know that, I love your work, I am so excited to read your book. Plug Away. What is it? Where can People find it? Tell us everything.
Molly Fletcher:
Plug Away, you’re so cute. It’s on Amazon, it’s Dynamic Drive, or they can go to Get Dynamic Drive, and order the book. And we have all kinds of cool bonuses, if people order the book, that are really, really powerful action guides. Access to [inaudible 00:57:26] Summit that I did recently. All kinds of goodies and bonuses that people can lean into to support their experience. Living, really at some level, with this DNA, it’s a different way of life. Dynamic Drive is an identity. It’s our DNA. So, people can get it there. Amazon and MollyFletcher.com, of course, is my website too, Tori, if I can serve anybody in any way, just say the word.
Tori Dunlap:
And the Game Changers Podcast, of course, which I have been lucky enough to be a guest on. So, lots of places to get more Molly. Thank you for being here, thank you for your work.
Molly Fletcher:
Come to Game Changers and listen to Tori, baby.
Tori Dunlap:
Yes, we love it. Thank you.
Thank you so much to Molly for joining us, as I said before, her book Dynamic Drive is out right now and available wherever books are sold. Amazon, Barnes & Noble, your local indie, ebook, audiobook, hardcover, all of that is available. But we appreciate Molly joining us yet again on the show. As always, we appreciate you being here, Financial Feminist, I hope you have a kick-ass week. Please feel free to share this episode with a friend, and we’ll talk to you soon. See you back here soon. Goodbye.
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Tori Dunlap
Tori Dunlap is an internationally-recognized money and career expert. After saving $100,000 at age 25, Tori quit her corporate job in marketing and founded Her First $100K to fight financial inequality by giving women actionable resources to better their money. She has helped over five million women negotiate salaries, pay off debt, build savings, and invest.
Tori’s work has been featured on Good Morning America, the New York Times, BBC, TIME, PEOPLE, CNN, New York Magazine, Forbes, CNBC, BuzzFeed, and more.
With a dedicated following of over 2.1 million on Instagram and 2.4 million on TikTok —and multiple instances of her story going viral—Tori’s unique take on financial advice has made her the go-to voice for ambitious millennial women. CNBC called Tori “the voice of financial confidence for women.”
An honors graduate of the University of Portland, Tori currently lives in Seattle, where she enjoys eating fried chicken, going to barre classes, and attempting to naturally work John Mulaney bits into conversation.
